Comments on: The Armories of the Latter Day Laputas – Part 2 http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/ A revolution in time. Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2241 Abelard Lindsey Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:07:46 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2241 I’ve heard about the corporate underground building boom as well. This is actually fairly publicized and is probably in tandem with the rise of survivalist mentality in general. I think a lot of these are just hardened data centers. A lot of corporate server farms are being put into these hardened facilities. It makes sense for the companies that can afford it. Fires, earthquakes, tornadoes, and typhoons; all can damage or destroy a server farm. A corporation looses all of its data and it can be out of business for good. Some of it may be fad-driven. Corporate managers seem to be susceptible to fads and fashions these days. Dot-com stocks and sub-prime mortgage bonds being examples of such.

That the Swiss are selling off much of their NBC facilities suggests that they do not believe that there is any real threat. I’ve not heard anything about the really high tech centers you mention.

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2237 admin Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:07:42 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2237 I’ve heard from one the guys at Hardcastle, and from a former structural engineer at Haliburton, that there is both widespread and large scale government and large corporate construction of hardened habitation sites underway throughout the – much more in toto than even during the height of the cold war. This is supposedly a worldwide phenomenon. Why this is so, I have no idea. I find it particularly peculiar given that the Swiss are decommissioning and selling most of their truly massive underground NBC facilities; with no plans to replace them.

This subterranean building boom started well before the current economic crisis. This construction is independent of the megasites I’ve heard rumors about, which are supposedly very high technology installations. I heard the first rumor from an engineer who had previously worked at CERN. So, who knows what the sneaky devils are up to. In their day, both Los Alamos and the Titan I and II sites were incredible – the stuff of pulp science fiction novels. Both were reflections of fundamental technological advances in offensive weaponry. Both are onto half a century old. The timing is about right for the next big leap forward. I shudder to think what that might be. –Mike Darwin

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2228 Abelard Lindsey Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:41:47 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2228 Of course they were able to build this kind of hardware in the 50′s and early 60′s. Defense spending averaged 9-10% of GDP during this time. It was also the time, particularly during McCarthy period where if any criticized this, they were immediately tagged as a subversive and hounded by the FBI, such that they may be fired from their job or suffer other financial or professional loss. The defense budget ramped down to 3% of GDP in the early 70′s. It went back up to about 4.5% under Reagan, then declined to 1.5% following the end of the cold war.

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2223 admin Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:04:20 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2223 Thanks for the correction regarding the Titan 1 and the Gemini program; you are correct that it was the Titan IIs that were used. I’ll revise the text of the article accordingly. — Mike Darwin

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By: Fundie http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2222 Fundie Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:33:00 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2222 It’s probably all that and more!

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2221 Abelard Lindsey Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:05:54 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2221 Yes, this is the most likely explanation of all, if the rumors are true.

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By: Mark Plus http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2220 Mark Plus Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:58:56 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2220 Or else it just represents more opportunities for crony capitalism, like the fortunes squandered on private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2219 Abelard Lindsey Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:46:02 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2219 The MX missile, under development during the 80′s, was supposed to replace the Minute Man missiles. Fortunately, the cold war ended before it was deployed. We are now down to three ICBM launch complexes, with a total of 450 missiles, all Minute Man III’s. All of the Geminis were launched using Titan II rockets.

I have not heard any rumors about this new underground complex. If true, its probably an underground governmental command post (you know, for “slate wiper” plagues or something like that) rather than any kind of weapons system. Maybe they’re afraid of all of the home brew DIY biology people.

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By: Fundie http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2218 Fundie Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:06:26 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2218 As I typed Death Star I was struck by how appropriate the name was, actually.

I read about Titan II silos yesterday, including the museum. I didn’t realize until now that that wasn’t the same as the one you are posting photographs of. I understand there’s a hole in the side of the missile there to demonstrate that it is not armed. I also thought it was interesting that the common conception is these missiles were decommissioned due to a treaty signed by Reagan, but that the real reason was that they were being decommissioned to be replaced with more “modern” means of destruction.

I will quit paying to build this crap just as soon as they let me. I can think of lots better uses for the money.

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/06/05/the-armories-of-the-latter-day-laputas-part-2/#comment-2216 admin Wed, 08 Jun 2011 06:13:53 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=724#comment-2216 But that is exactly what it was, a trip through a Death Star, one of many of this type that existed until 1965. They were replaced by Titan II silos, which were more compact because by then, on-board inertial guidance had been perfected eliminating the need for the antenna silos and the rockets no longer required fueling immediately pre-launch, because the LOX-kerosene propellant had been replaced by the highly efficient hypergolic asymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (Aerozine-50) and nitrogen tetroxide (oxidizer) propellant (which ignite on contact with each other). This hypergolic fuel system not only provided superior specific impulse, it eliminated the need for LOX as the oxidizer – and thus the massive subterranean infrastructure required to produce the LOX. No more massive liquefaction and power generating infrastructure greatly simplified the facilities and cut launch time to a few minutes. The Titan II sites are far, far less impressive feats of mega-engineering. They operated until ~ 1981, and in fact, if you ever make the journey to Alcor, there is an “intact” Titan II site open to the public near Tuscon, AZ. Titan II ICBM Site 571-7 is located at 1580 West Duval Mine Road, Sahuarita, Arizona which is ~ 15 miles south of Tucson. It is now a museum run by the nonprofit Arizona Aerospace Foundation, which includes an inert Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile in the silo, as well as the original launch facilities, minus a fair bit of the launch control electronics. I’ve been there and found it a worthwhile visit – albeit nothing on the scale of the Titan I site.

The Titans co-existed with the Minuteman solid fuel missiles for quite some time, mostly due to the fact that they were a good design, the money had been spent, and the Minuteman missiles weren’t exactly cheap to deploy, either. As an interesting aside, if you go to http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/03/18/letter-to-aspiring-cryonicists/ and look at the photos of the Alcor van/perfusion room, circa 1975 (about halfway through the post), there are two unusual, desk-type electronics panel racks barely visible towards the far end of the perfusion room (adjacent to the driver’s compartment). In one of the photos Fred Chamberlain IV can be seen sitting in front of one of them. Those racks were used in a Minuteman silo that was decommissioned. So, death and life, the end to the species and the quest for its indefinite continuance, have been intertwined since at least 1973.

Finally, it’s also important to remember that these delivery systems were and remain only a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the thermonuclear arsenal. At the time of the Titans, there were B-52s and cruise missiles, as well as Jupiter missiles in Europe. Submarine launched Polaris missiles now constitute the most difficult to neutralize nuclear weapon system. In fact, the US and Russia are the only two nation-states that still have silo-based nuclear capability. I’ve heard rumors of massive subterranean construction, on the scale of 4-5 times that of the CERN accelerator in Geneva, which may represent a fundamentally new kind of weapon system. Who knows? We seem intent, if not doomed, to engineer ourselves towards the fate of the Krell. And what a pity it is that I will not likely live to wander through that iteration of our struggle for self annihilation, it it does indeed exist. — Mike Darwin

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