Comments on: Robert C. W. Ettinger: News Media Obituaries, the Raw Feed http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/ A revolution in time. Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: gwern http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-3559 gwern Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:38:42 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-3559 http://www.jstor.org/pss/10.1525/sp.2010.57.4.505

> In a paper published in Social Problems, Sarah Sobieraj looks at activists’ attempts to influence media coverage. She finds that activsts, recognizing their dependence on media coverage, have learned the rules of media coverage as experienced in the corporate world, and like their CEO counterparts, have sought to build positive relationships and “bend over backwards to be media-friendly.” Unfortunately, this strategy doesn’t seem to work for them. The more professional they’ve become in managing media relations, the less successful they are at generating it. The reason for this, Sobieraj argues, is that journalists hold activists accountable to a different set of rules. Rather than responding to professionalism and well-honed messages, journalists respond to activists when they perceive their actions are authentic and spontaneous. Her analysis, then, suggests that political outsiders have to play by a different set of rules than elite insiders, like CEOs or politicians. Becoming too polished is a detriment to getting covered.

https://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/making-friends-with-the-media/

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2988 admin Wed, 03 Aug 2011 04:49:39 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2988 Mark, thank you VERY much for this URL. I have posted this response to Fred Pohl there:

Hello, Fred, this is from Mike Darwin, the guy who made you the offer of a “free freeze” after dinner that night in Louisville, KY in our suite in the Galt House hotel. You were the Guest of Honor at the American Science Fiction Convention in 1978, and we took you to dinner and made you an offer that, as it turned out, you easily could refuse! If you want to read an account of that meeting from the perspective of the cryonics people present at that time, it’s up on line, here: http://www.alcor.org/cryonics/cryonics8301.txt and is entitled, “When You Can’t Even Give it Away – Cryonics and Fred Pohl.

When you write about Bob Ettinger, “He wrote me one more letter, good-naturedly urging me to change my mind. That was the end,” I would say in response, “Uh, uh, it is much more likely, on the basis of probability alone, that was the end not for Bob, but for *you.*

Bob and I talked and corresponded about you a number of times over the years. Unlike you, I was not close to Bob, and we were often at odds. Interestingly, one of the few things that ever resulted in a genuine emotional connection between us was the offer we made to cryopreserve you for free. While he was too reserved and diplomatic to say so, your given reason for turning cryonics down, well, to be frank, I think it pissed him off a little. It was apparent that he genuinely liked and admired you and that, maybe just as importantly, he shared a common past with you. You and he grew up in the Golden Age of Science Fiction and you both shared the common narrative and heritage of what is now being called “The Greatest Generation.” The last time I saw Bob, was over dinner a few years ago in Michigan. He was quite frail, but wickedly lucid. I asked him if you were still compos mente and if he was still in touch with you. He sighed, “Yes,” and a “Yes.” And then he momentarily lost his temper, which is something I almost never saw him do. I don’t remember his exact words, but they were pretty to close to this: “I guess he doesn’t think that much of me or of the rest us, because he’s so worried about being alone and displaced from the people he knows and loves now. Doesn’t he think I’ll be there? Doesn’t he think any of the hundred or so others from our generation will be there? And if he does, and he is so worried about loneliness and social isolation, then dammit why doesn’t he come along to keep us company?”

I thought that was an extraordinarily good question. But logical and emotional arguments aside, it was painfully clear to me that HE WANTED YOU ALONG FOP THE RIDE. I had a hard time holding back the tears, and I had to excuse myself to the men’s room.

When most men die, their probability for any future goes to zero; in effect, their event horizon collapses. That’s about to happen to you (and to me, and to everyone else). Say what you will, Bob Ettinger now confronts two possibilities – oblivion, or one hell of a really interesting future. A future far more fantastic than anything you or he ever dreamed of, or wrote about. If nothing else, just to have come that far and to be in that position, well, it’s a hell of an accomplishment. And I am very grateful to Bob Ettinger for achieving it, because it opens that possibility to me, as well.

So, Fred, here’s the deal. Your friend is waiting for you: he damn sure wanted you to embark on the adventure (good or bad) that he has now begun. In fact, he kept at you to go until, literally, almost his last breath for this life cycle. He can’t do it anymore, so I guess it is my turn, once again, to ask you to reconsider and to join your friend and colleague on his journey into the land you both dreamed of when you were young, and in your salad days. Please, reconsider your arguments. It is now for sure you won’t be without a friend and cohort, and I can pretty much guarantee you that your revival won’t take place unless you have a use.
Finally, I can tell you for a fact that the best use you have is continue living and growing and telling stories. At our core, we humans are ‘store creatures,’ and we will remain so as long we *are* human. It goes without saying that story creatures need storytellers; your job is thus secure.

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By: Mark Plus http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2978 Mark Plus Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:56:10 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2978 Frederik Pohl reminisces about Ettinger:

http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/2011/07/the-cryonic-institutes-106th-patient-robert-cw-ettinger/

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2925 admin Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:59:35 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2925 Man oh man, I dreamed about coverage that positive and that accurate for 30+ years. I would point out, however, contrary what David Ettiger says, people started being cryopreserved in in 1967 and the first man so treated is in LN2 – albeit not at CI. — Mike Darwin

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By: Mark Plus http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2920 Mark Plus Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:43:43 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2920 http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/28730691/detail.html

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By: Mark Plus http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2895 Mark Plus Mon, 01 Aug 2011 02:35:03 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2895 http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-robert-ettinger-20110801,0,6175424.story?track=rss

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2875 Abelard Lindsey Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:50:21 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2875 Of course the masses do not understand the nature of self-interested groups. I got into an ding-dong with one such bone-head on the internet, in response to a piece written by Rand Simberg about Robert Ettinger.

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2874 Abelard Lindsey Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:10 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2874 Yeah, well it didn’t work out so well at that either. I think its time to bury this Marxist-Leninist crap once and for all, as the foolishness of the mid 20th century batcrap.

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2869 admin Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:53:21 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2869 I just watched the ABC News segment: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/life-ice-world-crazy-cryogenics/comments?type=story&id=14167348 and it is EXCELLENT. David Ettinger comports himself well, seems credible and uses the right language when describes cryonics as “an ambulance to the future.” The humor is just about right and there absolutely no cruel mockery. Even the neuro-option is treated with surprising respect. This is pretty much straight-up coverage of a controversial topic. It could have been barbed and nasty and it wasn’t. I was personally gratified to see some of my media-issued still photos used in the piece. Very good! — Mike Darwin

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By: admin http://chronopause.com/index.php/2011/07/26/robert-c-w-ettinger-news-media-obituaries-the-raw-feed/#comment-2868 admin Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:41:01 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1015#comment-2868 I thought the Wayne State article was good. Sure, it had some strong negatives, but they were far outweighed by the fundamental humanity and decency of the piece. It end with a very moving and surprisingly intelligent and literate sentence. This is the comment I left, and I would urge others to leave comments as well:
“Thank you for this beautifully written article. Of the countless media accounts of Ettinger’s passing into cryopreservation, yours was the most humane and one of the most technically accurate. Cryonics is small, appears bizarre, and undoubtedly makes no sense to most people. Nevertheless, it is the only rational and the only moral course of action for people who value their lives, and the lives of those they love, above all. I knew Bob Ettinger well, and I did not find him particularly likeable. That wasn’t important. What was important was that he was right and that he gave us cryonics. For that, I am (I hope) eternally grateful. He was, indeed, the Gilgamesh of our time.” — Mike Darwin

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