Comments on: The Logical and Intellectual Bankruptcy of Christianity http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/ A revolution in time. Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: cath http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4827 cath Sat, 14 Apr 2012 03:09:46 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4827 I’d like to see the proof that prayer is safer. I worked in the lab alongside a born again christian who prayed and sang hymns rather than use a fume hood for quite toxic solvents. She was brought into line, but the other woman we shared a lab with gave birth to a child with leukemia, maybe not caused by the solvent, but a possibility. Of course, that was just punishment from God because the pregnant lady was a Muslim.

Best anxiety reduction can be obtained by lots of little calculations and speculations about uploading and the singularity.

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By: Carlotta Pengelley http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4810 Carlotta Pengelley Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:25:08 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4810 Ask your doctor that one, Mark. Just because Mike’s initials are MD, and my kids called him Dr. Mike whn they were little, and he may be SMARTER than you own, physician- he can only give you his opinion and not medical advise. Or he can do whatever he wants to. Xanax is more fun than prayer, but it’s much less safe.

It’s all in fun, guys!
CP, LVN II and Consultant

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By: Mark F. http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4434 Mark F. Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:41:01 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4434 I use between 1 – 1.5 mg. per day. Is that excessive?

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By: chronopause http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4412 chronopause Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:52:41 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4412 Me too, and I’ve been using my allotted quota lately, which is a pity, because I was actually tapering down. — MD

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By: Mark F. http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4397 Mark F. Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:27:50 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4397 I find Xanax is a very good alternative to prayer.

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By: chronopause http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4381 chronopause Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:09:46 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4381 I wouldn’t comment here, except that I had a long conversation with a friend on this topic a couple of nights ago. I don’t think kids are (mostly) in any position to deal with or rebel against religion. My situation was pretty unique. I realized death was this horrible, absolutely unacceptable thing at a very early age; a sickeningly early age, even by my own standards. As a result, I understood why religion existed and tried very hard to accept and believe in it. However, once a rational, workable, real-world alternative presented itself (cryonics), then religion was simply revealed as what it always was; an obscene death trap. That this happened at the same time as I was becoming an independent person and was beginning to naturally rebel (which is a healthy part of becoming an adult) was just the luck of the draw.

More now than then, I understand that religion was and still is an invaluable coping tool for our species. It contains elements important to the retention of our sanity in the face of great loss and hopelessness, which cannot simply be discarded absent replacement technology. If we fail to adapt and craft viable replacements for those invaluable elements of religion, we will fail when subjected to the extreme stressors that religion has classically helped human beings to survive. Travel to horribly insecure and chronically dangerous places in the world and what you will see in almost everyone’s hands at almost all times when people are not engaged in labor is some kind of prayer technology. It’s a distraction and stress relieving device. In cultures where it is permissible, you will often see this technology plus one or two pharmacological stress relieving technologies, such as alcohol and/or tobacco – and sometimes three – or four in combination (i.e., betelnut and caffeine)! Devices to inflict pain on a chronic basis, as well as hunger are also used. Almost no one thinks of these things as “coping technologies,” but that, and the belief structures that accompany them, are exactly what they are.

The anguish of uncertainty that accompanied life when I was a boy was already greatly receding. But it was still imprinted upon the poor and downtrodden – especially the women. Many carried rosaries with them everywhere, because they grew up in a world of chaotic uncertainty where, from day to day, they faced the possibility of eviction, hunger, death of a relative, humiliation from lack of proper clothing, tuition, and so on. The problem with immortality is that it is not really immortality. Immortality is an illusion or an ideal, depending upon your perspective – it’s really a constant battle of life against death – extended indefinitely. That sounds great, and it is, but you must realize that once you expand your timescale indefinitely, problems that were invisible suddenly become of great concern. Today, everyone is focused only the fact that their contemporary problems will vanish: no more wrinkled skin, no more cancer… but what they don’t realize is that by expanding their timescale to “forever” they have widened the event horizon of their problems and exploded the degree of the uncertainty they will have to deal with. In fact, they increased it infinitely. Whilst their uncertainty will be infinite, at any given moment their time and resources will always be FINITE. In short, they’re gonna need some mighty big worry bead technology. — Mike Darwin

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By: Abelard Lindsey http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4370 Abelard Lindsey Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:30:36 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4370 Needless to say, I’m not keen on Christianity (or any other religion). I never really rebelled as a kid. It just simply did not make any sense to me. I didn’t rebel because, although my family was church-going, they never really pushed it on to me intellectually or socially, and the priests at our church were decent, likable people. I don’t like to argue with decent, likable people.

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By: cath http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4286 cath Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:50:17 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4286 As part of my bipolar illness I have experienced beatific and ecstatic religious states of mind and body, stopped with a little blue phenothiazine pill. I have met people with temporal lobe brain tumours with wonderful religious visions ‘cured’ by anticonvulsants, and they laugh at themselves and religion afterwards. The content of the religious thinking seems to be enculturated, the mood pancultural, and to exist in greater or lesser degree in many people.

Another painting for my next show is “Dr Persinger and the God Helmet” based on Goya’s etching “The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters”.

I think the religion problem is critical. In my most despairing
moments I think the reason for Fermi’s Paradox is that every evolving intelligent life form will be mortal, as a general law, and thus need to evolve an irrational mental structure like religion to enhance survival while simultaneously being aware of its own mortality. Perhaps this problem has never been overcome by any extra-terrestrial species to allow it to engineer the extended life or suspended animation for deep space travel. Extra-terrestrial intelligent species enter cultural stasis or self-destruct before extended life and space travel become possible.

My paintings will be exhibited in a medium sized city (for Australia) downtown in a contemporary art space to coincide with national science week. They will be humane, purposeful and tender images, for any viewer, not for just dyed-in-the-wool life extensionists.

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By: chronopause http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4283 chronopause Fri, 16 Mar 2012 01:11:39 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4283 Actually, many moons ago, i sent you that information. I know, you’ve asked several times since. But, I’ve lost it. All that remains of those efforts is an INCREDIBLY annoying gray box that obscures half my WordPress window and whichI cannot figure out how to make go away. –MD

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By: Eugen Leitl http://chronopause.com/index.php/2012/03/14/the-logical-and-intellectual-bankruptcy-of-christianity/#comment-4276 Eugen Leitl Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:09:36 +0000 http://chronopause.com/?p=1459#comment-4276 If you want to use Google Analytics, you need to enable Google Analytics on your Gmail account, and give me the info to feed to the plugin.

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